[Nolose-outreach] Getting moving on outreach

Joe Libin joe.libin at gmail.com
Wed Apr 23 14:09:13 EST 2008 

sounds great!

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Sarah Lynn Doherty
<sarah.lynn.doherty at gmail.com> wrote:
> HeyJoe,
> Have you started contacting people? I've started contacting print
> publications--can you do upcoming conferences?
> Sarah
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> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Joe Libin <joe.libin at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > I am kind of busy but I also committed to be part of this process.  So
> > yah, let's divy it up and I can start making contact with people this
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> > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Sarah Lynn Doherty
> > <sarah.lynn.doherty at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I'm happy to do that. Joe, are you too busy, or do you want to divvy up
> what
> > > we've thought of so far?
> > > Sarah
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> > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 11:33 PM, zoe meleo-erwin
> <pinkprincesszoe at yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > hey folks, sorry to be so silent on this.  i say that Sarah get quotes
> > > from everywhere and anywhere that seems relevant and then we can see
> what
> > > fits best, though honestly i'm happy to let you just run with this.  as
> > > Devra said, there are some places that are way out of our budget so it's
> a
> > > matter of cost plus the timing of when things are coming out (i.e. in an
> > > ideal world we'd be on top of having generic/non-conference specific ads
> > > that came out in the booklets of events that happen at times that don't
> make
> > > sense for us to advertise for the conference but do make sense for us to
> > > advertise in in general, like the IDKE conference that happens in
> october).
> > > btw, i can't recall if this was on the list and it might be too late for
> us
> > > to have an ad appear but we might see about placing an ad/trading ads
> with
> > > the mid august femme conference.  just a thought--Zoe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Devra Polack <devra at webspinster.com> wrote:
> > > > Hi, all--
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, limited time to deal with a lot of details here lately--so am
> > > cranking this out in a somewhat disorganized way just to get back to
> folks
> > > so things can keep moving--
> > > >
> > > > If ads can go out in May, that would definitely be better--as June
> > > probably actually is too late for some publications. Getting deadlines
> is
> > > kind of key in the r&d... some issues come out in July or Aug., and
> that's
> > > great, too, but the deadlines are always earlier.
> > > >
> > > > The other consideration is that we don't have a giant ad budget, and
> some
> > > (like Curve and Bitch) have skyrocketed and are quite expensive and
> possibly
> > > of our range. Good to ask for nonprofit rates and ad exchanges.We have
> $1000
> > > maximum for advertising. Which is not a lot, and yet it is also a small
> > > conference. This is where the online posting  and cross-posting (using a
> > > graphic/logo is preferable where allowed) is key.
> > > >
> > > > --In terms of local-area print ads, I think it's much more bang for
> the
> > > buck/higher priority in the region (Massachusetts/NE). But free listings
> in
> > > local rags/calendars/online orgs all over are great.
> > > >
> > > > --We definitely spent more for 05 than 06, since we were capping
> > > attendance at our retreat and spent less on outreach. Our bigger $ went
> to
> > > Bitch, Color Lines, Lesbian Connection and we also had various ads in
> > > conference journals like Trans Health, Femme Conf. (I think?), a gender
> > > conference at NYU. We also had 2 experiences of submitting ads and
> payment
> > > to conferences and having the ads returned ignored, which may be due to
> a
> > > fluke, or may have been deliberate.
> > > >
> > > > Attached is the Outreach Budget from 06, which includes info on ads
> from
> > > 05-06 toward the bottom (including direct contacts and now outdated
> price
> > > info).
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, ad people, for running with it!
> > > >
> > > > Oh, and Max, yes, it is just the 5 of us on this list (you, Sarah, me,
> > > Zoe, Joe).
> > > > xoxo
> > > > Devra
> > > >
> > > > Sarah Lynn Doherty wrote:
> > > > Hi guys,
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > > Ok, so the one thing that seems oddly timed is the print ads not
> getting
> > > started until June. Maybe it just feels that we because we're working
> with a
> > > bit less time than usual. Seems to be that it would be ideal if print
> ads
> > > started *appearing* in June. Though I don't have a good sense of how
> > > important the print ads really are to overall outreach.
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > > > Print ads should start appearing in June, if only to get one in
> > > Transgender Tapestry in time for the summer or fall issue...also, June
> is
> > > Pride month. And various cities have Pride Guides that we might be able
> to
> > > buy advertisements in, but only if we move fast.
> > > >
> > > > > Where have print ads run before?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > According to the last meeting minutes
> > > > (on the Nolose-outreach list archives here:
> > >
> http://nolose.org/pipermail/nolose-outreach_nolose.org/2008-March/000001.html)
> > > > Devra sent everybody a spreadsheet with the last conference's ad
> quotes,
> > > though ads weren't in every publication that gave us a quote. I actually
> > > wasn't part of the committee on the 18th, so I need a copy. Anybody?
> Thanks!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Where should print ads run this time?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think that is to be decided, partially based on pricing and
> partially
> > > based on our target  audiences.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Who are we reaching out to? Supersize people, fat people, queers,
> trans
> > > folks, people of color, social justice activists... Those are the groups
> I
> > > want to reach out to.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Also people with disabilities.
> > > >
> > > > > What are people reading, anyway? What are the folks in our target
> groups
> > > reading?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Print magazine/newspaper-wise, I know about:
> > > >
> > > > NYANSAPO (National Black Justice Coalition magazine)
> > > > Trikone magazine (magazine for people of South Asian descent)
> > > > Aggressive (magazine for butch & FTM people of color)
> > > > Colorlines (progressive lefty mag about race, culture, activism)
> > > > Transgender Tapestry (the ifge pub. historically mostly geared toward
> > > transwomen, but not exclusively)
> > > > Poz Magazine (for people living with HIV/AIDS)
> > > > Curve and the Advocate are sort of white and bourgie but are pretty
> widely
> > > read and easy to get.
> > > > Bitch Magazine (feminist mag)
> > > > Village Voice
> > > > SF Pride Guide
> > > > Bay Windows in Boston
> > > > BiWomen newsletter out of the Bisexual Resource Center
> > > > Lesbian Connections which is nothing but letters and ads
> > > >
> > > > I know of a score of smaller local newspapers or newsletters in
> central
> > > New York, and Ohio and Idaho and New Jersey. I can get information about
> > > local stuff in the south, especially southeast, from my boss when she
> gets
> > > back into town.
> > > >
> > > > And for people with disabilities--a lot of newsletters and magazines
> are
> > > online (Ragged Edge, Ouch!, DeafQueer, Bent, etc.), but New Mobility has
> > > been in print for a long time, and my local independence center puts out
> a
> > > newsletter that runs ads and I bet they could help me find other
> newsletters
> > > for other areas. I'm not sure if Kaleidoscope Magazine publishes ads,
> but
> > > the next issue comes out in July so it might be worth asking about.
> > > >
> > > > And--there are two conferences in LA on fat stuff, the NAAFA one and
> the
> > > HAES one, in the middle of July. I bet there are conference booklets we
> > > might be able to get into, if we haven't already. Also, Stefanie and I
> are
> > > giving a workshop on diversity & fat activism with a particular look at
> the
> > > queer community's intersections with fat communities, and we were going
> to
> > > put folders of handouts together. We'd planned to include some kind of
> > > something about NOLOSE!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Meeting: week after next, I can meet evenings of Monday 14th,
> Tuesday
> > > 15th, or Thursday 17th.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I can meet Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and possibly (but hopefully
> not)
> > > Thursday.
> > > >
> > > > Big fat queer love!
> > > >
> > > > Sarah
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Devra Polack
> <devra at webspinster.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hey dahlink.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good questions!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1) We don't have an Outreach mtg. scheduled, shall we set one?
> > > Unfortunately, next week is totally booked for me. Are you guys
> available to
> > > meet in the eve. some night the week after? This week is out, since
> there's
> > > a NOLOSE Board mtg. and Programming also met, which is a grueling 2-mtg.
> > > week for some.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Okay, in terms of design and ads and mailing party timeline,
> here's
> > > what I proposed to Board folks last week (wanted to make sure the
> finance
> > > and financial assistance folks would be able to figure pricing out by
> late
> > > April in order for us to get registration materials going and out the
> door
> > > in May).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm good w/doing the card design (have pieced out a chunk of time
> this
> > > weekend to get started). We'll be getting Programming updates at our
> Board
> > > mtg. this thursday, so can confirm theme first.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That said, how does the timeline below look to you guys?
> > > > > > xoxo
> > > > > > Devra
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (oh, and I'll check in w/Robin soon. I didn't get the impression
> she
> > > had her heart set on the outreach vol. stuff at all, and I think was
> just
> > > willing to step in for more if need be; but it really does not hurt to
> > > check... thanks for the heads up, sweets.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here's the proposed timeline I sent to the Board:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hey, folks--
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In trying to figure out when to have a volunteer host our mailing
> > > party (yay!), it occurs to me that a slew of things need to happen
> before
> > > that mailing, and I wanted to make sure everyone was on the same page in
> > > terms of timeline.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My guess is that we can put this into place for a May 31 mailing
> > > party. But if you think doing the mailing 3 months ahead isn't too late
> (our
> > > call for proposals will be going out first), June might give us more
> leeway.
> > > The past couple of conferences, I think it was 4 months in advance.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1) What do you think is more strategic for our big mailing, May 31
> or
> > > mid-June?
> > > > > > 2) Do you guys think the following is feasible for this timeframe?
> Let
> > > me know. I can do my part, but want to make sure everyone else is on
> board.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --FA and registration fees (sliding scale, deadlines, etc.).
> Finance
> > > folks: estimated date of figuring out FA app and fee structure for us to
> > > include in reg. materials? That's the stuff I'll need in order to crank
> out:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --Online registration and print registration forms. (Also, Joe
> will be
> > > compiling/writing the cover letter.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --Since my work situation is now less frenzied and dire
> (hallelujah on
> > > finding a tenant), I'm taking a stab at the card design. This will also
> give
> > > us more time and leeway to shop around for someone to take care of print
> ads
> > > and program layout, which happen later--and so we can shop that out for
> $300
> > > instead of $500. I'm aiming to have this into the printer by end of
> April,
> > > possibly sooner (depending), and can start next week if our theme is
> nailed
> > > down. It's about 2 weeks or so to print and ship. And the shipping guru
> > > person distributing the cards around will then need to ship 800 or so of
> > > these to whoever is doing the Big Mailing Party.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, if Finance is able to figure our pricing and FA requirements
> in
> > > the next 4 weeks, I think we can give a thumbs up on a May 31 mailing
> party.
> > > Otherwise, later.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let me know what y'all think--
> > > > > > xoxo
> > > > > > Devra
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> > > > > > Max Airborne wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hey folks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have a few items of committee business.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Do we have a meeting scheduled?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. Design for 2008 conference materials: What's the status? Are we
> > > hiring out?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3. Print ads -- I guess this needs to wait for a design, eh?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 4. Outreach volunteer status:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mailing party host: Stefanie Snider in L.A, who has recruited 8-10
> > > people to help.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Postcard handler/distributor: Laura Spalding in Northhampton
> (never
> > > been to nolose -- has anyone met her?)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Street outreach (postcard distro): we have folks for bay area,
> NoHo,
> > > and nowhere else. Once we're closer I'll recruit for this directly with
> > > people who live in key locations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Internet outreach folks: Zoe Meleo Erwin, Stefanie Snider, Jodi
> > > Longobardo
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Print ad team: Joe Libin and Sarah Doherty (do we need more folks
> > > here? tell me what's needed and I'll find it)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Design? Do you want me to find someone?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 5. Does someone here have a good working relationship or
> friendship
> > > with Robin? I'm concerned that she's upset about the volunteer job split
> and
> > > could use a check-in of some sort. I tried, and am not sure I got
> anywhere,
> > > as she hasn't responded to me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ok, that's all for now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Love, Max
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > Devra Polack
> > > > > > Spinster Design
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> > > > > > devra at webspinster.com
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